," famous speeches from george washington to barack obama. all right, michael, let's just say, authorship in a speech is a complicated thing. >> that's right. speeches really are a little bit different from an academic paper or anything else written down. it's an oral tradition, and the martin luther king's great paration at the lincoln memorial borrowed lines from different speakers. >> right. >> but having said that, going to wikipedia and lifting things in full paragraph form probably takes it to a different level. >> well, in your day, you didn't have wikipedia, so you had to go to the britannica, right and sort of copy word for word. i mean, did you do this as a speech writer? >> well, no. well, first of all, with bill clinton, he didn't really read the speeches. >> right. >> so, even if somebody had plagiarized, and there were always -- when you have a deluge of facts coming in and information, you know, there can be slip-ups. we now know how rand paul's speechwriter wrote his term papers in college, right? control -- >> well, multiple